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Agron Shehaj and Andi Bushati have clashed over the "Veliaj" issue.
According to analyst Andi Bushati, the dossier on this issue is weak, while Agron Shehaj stated on MCN TV that all cases identified as receiving money from businessmen are in fact corruption.
Debate on the show
Andi Bushati: Of the endless construction permits and public tenders that are mentioned, which ones does SPAK say are corrupt or abusive?
Agron Shehaj: In all cases where money has been spent, they are corrupt cases, this is what SPAK claims. Whoever received the permit and tender, then passed the money to Veliaj or his wife. I think your battle regarding the details of the file is negligible. Compared to what happened, it is negligible. We see it from a political perspective and say the incinerator does not exist, over 100 million euros, that is the issue, but it does not work like that. They have sewn and embroidered the big ones.
Andi Bushati: Are these intellectuals? Okay.
Agron Shehaj: Justice is not a joke, it is work, the abuse must be proven. If the incinerator money goes offshore, even God, you are there yourself and the company does not know. It is easy for us to hold a trial, we are not satisfied that finally in Albania, the number two in power is arrested, no, we want him to be caught for what we want. Forget the pressures and conditions, we are in Albania. Gangs, threats. We saw it, we do not know what has happened behind the scenes in these months that investigations have been carried out, we saw it only in one day, they sent the administration, Rama threatened them all day, they took away your lights like in the 90s, imagine being a prosecutor and a judge.
Andi Bushati: If you want votes, go ahead, we are using emotional things...
Agron Shehaj: These are facts. It's easy here, but put yourself in the prosecutor's shoes. Many of them have children abroad. We live in Albania, one article is enough and they rush in. One denunciation is enough and they start with a house book. Imagine putting handcuffs on the number two in power.
Andi Bushati: I am being tried for the writing I do and not for the threats. Okay, the number two of the SP in prison, success. Can we debate now? Do you know if the incinerators financed the Ajola associations? Why not? Because the incinerator must be closed. In the first part, I said, I was critical of the way SPAK drafted the Berisha file for the Partizani club, but the Berisha file is much more complicated than the Veliaj file. SPAK does not only say that Berisha drafted laws and the son-in-law benefited, but it went deeper, Berisha not only drafted laws, but also fired the general, and led someone to exert pressure for the club to be handed over to the former owners. Saliu's crime was not only linked to the son-in-law, but to the concrete acts that Saliu committed.
Klodiana Lala: The same thing is in this file.
Pano Soko: It's the same thing, you didn't read it. It says where he went, what he wrote in the message, how he brought it...
Andi Bushati: You are being untruthful with the facts.
Agron Shehaj: If someone is a mayor and gives a permit. The one who gave the permit takes a certain amount of money, this is corruption, there is no need to break the law in giving the permit. You're saying where is the violation? The money was found. This is the difference.
Andi Bushati: What would happen if Ajola came out and said that I asked him for money? But it is Ajola's corruption, not Erion's./ CNA
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